Does anyone else visualize Vilmos as Kelley Jones' Thor from The Sandman's "Season of Mists"? Steven, how exactly should the Serioli '!' be vocalized? rone -- Constancy of the speed of light is a conclusion, yes it is a conclusion based on nonconvincing, irrational assumptions. WHAT IS LIGHT?! Whose light? From what sourse? Please do not mention electronagnetics - the same applies to them. - Alexander Abian <abian at iastate.edu>