On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:51:22 -0400, Starshadw at aol.com wrote: >Well, Jack's not the one who should have been penalized since >his side "won" - they managed to close the gateway. It's the >witch and her familiar who were thus on the losing side Yes. That's what I meant about nominal adherence, and what *really* defines 'side'. >(they wanted the gateway to open) I agree they *wanted* the gateway to open, but Jill wielded the closing wand. Therefore, as far as this particular operation went, they were on the winning side. >and who should have been destroyed. When Snuff seized his master's wand, it removed all remaining significant obstacle to closing. Neither Jack nor Jill realized this until it was Too Late - then the closing port, just to make sure. So Jill, regardless of good intentions, was on the closing side - her main action was operating the closing wand. Jack's state is a little more ambiguous. He ran the opening wand very effectively, but apparently the final actions were sufficient for reprieve. Or maybe, with good reason, nothing wanted to mess with him ;<) Richard