Dragaera

OT: bois (was: Sethra Lavode vs. Enchantress of Dzur Mountain)

Mark A Mandel mam at theworld.com
Thu Aug 15 17:51:02 PDT 2002

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Chris Olson - SunPS wrote:

#True.  At the same time, however, human nature does not
#mean "correct".  In your above examples, for instance,
#No one ever told me where the word "cab" came from (yes,
#I knew by making an educated guess:)  And I'll even go
#so far as to agree with what you say.  But "carriage" is
#a new word, compared to "carry".  "Cab" is a word apart from
#"cabriolet".  So we are, in a sense, in the habit of inventing
#new words for slightly different usages.

But these are adaptations of existing words to new meanings. I wasn't
clear. "Cab" was not invented to refer to taxicabs; it was applied to
cabriolets and other horse-drawn vehicles, and then to motor vehicles,
and now only to motor vehicles for hire and usually equipped with a
(ta-dahh!) taximeter to calculate the fare. (Oh, also to a part of a
locomotive, etc.) "Carriage" meant an act of carrying or the manner of
carrying for centuries before it was applied to a vehicle.

#	At the same time,
#we also have a tendency, as human beings (or at least American's,
#I'm not a linguist:) to create or change words where there is
#no real need.  Slang being the most obvious example.  How many
#words do we need to express, for instance, killing someone?

Language does much, much more than express truth-value meaning.
It demonstrates group membership (I talk like one of OUR people; that
person doesn't), attitude (I scorn the person I am talking about: "and
then what do you think the b*****d did?"), and many other things. A
language without slang is like a kitchen without pepper.

	[...]
#> They describe the meaning of words as they are used. People consult
#> dictionaries to find out what other people mean when they use the words,
#
#But that alone can cause confusion in a language.  Which dictionary
#do "we" use if, say, there's an argument over the meaning of a word?

What remedy do you recommend?

#OK, now what if all the dictionary-writers got together and
#decided to change "fig" to mean "prune"?  Would that make it
#right?

Of course not. That's my point. What's yours? I mean that literally, not
as challenge.

-- Dr. Whom, Consulting Linguist, Grammarian, Orthoepist, and
   Philological Busybody
   a.k.a. Mark A. Mandel