Steven Brust wrote: We have a third choice: attempting to influence, so that the changes that take place help to make the language more useful, flexible, and powerful. I don't think simplicity vs complexity is the issue--the exact details, and how they effect language, are the issue. ********************************************************************************************* Wow, why didn't you tell me in all this time you wished to be French? They use that sort of control over their language. <smiles sweetly> Parle vous Français, mon cher, n'est pas? With love and good humor, Caliann Graves Yahoo I.D. calianng_graves *girl of the Grand Poohbah Cheese of the Universe, Steve* "Offense theives. -- they take it when it isn't offered." --Tom Digby --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs