Sean writes: Steve said: > >a weapon originally developed to > >kill people in plate armour, but gradually modified as armour fell out of > >use because too many armored men were being killed by assholes with > >rapiers. I always assumed it was assholes with guns No, this is definitely pre-guns. The English longbow could punch through plate armor. rone -- {Reagan's} presidency always reminded me of a remark made by a woman to Heywood Broun following Secretariat's victory in the Triple Crown. After the trauma of Vietnam and Watergate, she said, Secretariat had "restored her faith in humanity." I like to think Reagan was the Secretariat of the eighties. - Garry Trudeau