On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 Gaertk at aol.com wrote: #In a message dated Sat, 17 Aug 2002 2:14:19 PM Eastern #Standard Time, FelixEisen at aol.com writes: # #> dammit, I forget Noish-Pa's actual name; Kelly says it at #> one point. # #Actually, he doesn't. I remember specifically looking for #that last time I read _Teckla_. Teldra doesn't use it in #_Phoenix_ either, nor Cawti at the end of _Yendi_. We just #plain don't know his name yet. Kelly, or somebody, refers to Noish-pa as "Taltos", which we know anyway is Vlad's patronymic, which in Steve's use means a surname passed down >from the father. See discussion at http://world.std.com/~mam/Cracks-and-Shards/names.html#Surnames -- Mark A. Mandel http://world.std.com/~mam/Cracks-and-Shards/ a Steven Brust Dragaera fan website