Frank wrote: I dare you to say that at alt.atheism.moderated. Boy, would you be sorry. My dear Frank, I am never sorry and live for theological, philosophical and epistemological debate. I have degrees in biology, chemistry, philosophy and religion. I am never sorry to debate. Remember in an intellectual discussion there are never winners or losers, just those who cannot support their positions. John D. Barbato,O.D. "I miss everything I'll never be.", Billy Corgin, smashing punkins