David Dyer-Bennet writes: My belief that there is no god is because all the claims for a god have failed spectacularly to prove themselves. Non-belief is the default state, and there's no evidence to move me from it. I think the difference is more explicitly, "I believe there is no god," versus, "I deny that your god, or any god, exists." The latter definitely requires a certitude that lacks proof, which some people would call "faith". rone -- New from the makers of Li'l Swimmers: Li'l Eaters. Edible underwear that looks just like Mommy's and Daddy's! - Kibo