Dragaera

Agnostic definition... or not.

Rick Castello rick at 404.978.org
Wed Nov 27 12:38:39 PST 2002

Scott Raun said:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:05:36PM -0500, Peter H. Granzeau wrote:
>> I went hunting once for a word to describe lack of belief in any Deity
>>  (including active non-belief in a Deith) and failed miserably.  I
>> always  wondered if "infidel" fit?  It's got a lot of baggage,
>> unfortunately.  We  need something that not only says "there is no
>> God", but says, "and I don't  care if there is one or not".
>
> How about agnostic?
>
> Trimming from the www.dictionary.com definition:
>
> : One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a :
> God.
> :
> : One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess :
> true atheism.
>
> My favorite definition of agnostic is 'I don't know and I don't care'.

     These are two different meanings, and do not track.

     One is a merely logical statement:
       I do not and cannot with existing evidence know if there is
       a being matching current agreed-upon definitions of God.

     The other is making a value judgement:
       If there were a being matching God, I would not care about it.

     Not the same, and though the second may be an opinion of SOME
     agnostics, it is NOT part of the definition of agnostic.


     I am agnostic, but I'll tell you now that if the available
     evidence DID change, and it could be PROVEN that there is a
     being matching one of the many descriptions of God, I would
     be VERY interested to learn more about it, and ask a hell of
     a lot of questions.

     I might get squashed for my impudence, but I'd certainly TRY
     to get some answers to some interesting questions.  :)

     I don't know many well-balanced atheists that wouldn't swallow
     their pride and assess new evidence, not to mention at least
     be curious about such a being... even if only to attempt to
     disprove it.

     To not care, in my opinion, is something I'd call childish,
     but that'd be incorrect.  Even a child would be curious.

     -Rick