From: "David Rodemaker" <dar at horusinc.com> > What if the analogy is more along the lines of the individual who made a > wildlife preserve? the big problem with this analogy, and unfortunately all such analogies seem to have a big problem, is that one who makes a wildlife preserve isn't responsible for the existence of predation and death, as a hypothetical deity would be, unless one posits a weak deity who isn't responsible for the way the unverse is run, in which case we find ourselves wondering who or what placed limitations on it. i say "unfortunately," because i've been reading alt.atheism since 1996, and reading apologetics for far longer, and just once i'd like to see a good argument, a sound analogy, a salient point, anything. i love this kind of debate, but have never felt challenged by a theistic argument, to my dismay. chris cunningham np: david sanborn "jesus" (yeah, yeah, irony :))