on Tue, 14 Jan 2003 David Silberstein wrote On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Ven wrote: >All the evidence suggests that Vlad's father was >a bit of a sad case. His bought place in the only >Dragaeran house he could get into, his ignorance >of what his son was going through, his rejection >of all aspects of his own culture, even unto >refusing the witchcraft by which either his son >or his father could have gladly saved his life. >All the evidence, of course, comes from Vlad. David <A few years ago, I speculated that perhaps Vlad's father had in fact fallen in love with a Dragaeran: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=GInuoC.86@kithrup.com I think I was pondering the phenomenon of xenophilia, in the sense of preferring some culture over the one that you grew up in. At least one possible explanation for this effect is that the person who feels it has fallen in love with a member of that culture. But that's hardly the only explanation.> Ven <It is useful though to look at this from both sides -- rejection of Easterner culture or attraction to Dragaeran. The problem in deciding which is that we don't know enough (as yet) I had been going to write that Taltos pere had no Dragaeran friends but then I realised that we actually had no idea whether he did or not. We only really see him interact with Vlad and Noiosh Pa. I've heard it said that one of the great attractions of living in a foreign culture is that it gives people a great opportunity to reinvent themselves. Within one's own culture people can make fine judgements about a person's background etc whereas foreigners are more likely to take one at face value. this ties in with what David said in his googl;e link:. "But aren't those people who fall in love with another culture usually tourists, rather than those who grew up in that cultures underclass?"> Ven, again >So, what if Taltos Pere has good reason for his >actions, what could witchcraft do that would be >worse than death? David <His revulsion for witchcraft, at least, *might* be because his ex-wife *might* have been a witch. The evidence in this matter is sketchy in the extreme - Vlad's memories are vague, and his father both avoided discussing Vlad's mother, and tended to change the details when he *did* mention anything about her.> Yes, i remember having that impression too. I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for ages. Irrc she is still alive. > By his avoidance of his >easterner heritage it would seem to have >something to do with that. I've been sort of >thinking about this for a while but some of the >threads I've been reading here -- about >taltos/damn what is the plural/ in particular >have made me speculate. It was suggested that in >order to come into their full power a taltos may >not eat or drink, so, anyone who doesn't want to >become a taltos would want to avoid involuntary >starvation, and it would make sense then to go to >the Empire and run a restaurant wouldn't it? David <Hmm. As I understand it, Vlad's grandfather was the one who came from the East to Dragaera. On the one hand, he's a witch himself. And on the other hand, he doesn't seem to have a problem with making and serving food, eating it himself and serving it to Vlad.> Ven <I expressed that wrongly -- I should have said that he moved to the Dragaeran side of the city to run a restaurant.> David <By the way, the thing about that taltos having power by not eating is only one tradition. SKZB has used it in some of his other stories, but it may not apply to all taltos that he writes about. Unreliable writer that he is.> Ven <Oh sure, it's just a wild theory about the taltos stuff, I stand by my opinion that Vlad's Dad does have some sound agenda though.> David <And I am not sure *why* Vlad's father would want to prevent himself (& Vlad) from gaining the power of the taltos.> Ven <I was thinking like some people won't allow a gun in the house, if they have kids, or maybe something like a personal nuke. it couldn't (wild theory hat on) have anything to do with manipulating raw chaos could it?> Ven again > You might want to keep your kid well fed too. >I note that Vlad is not only food obsessed* but >invariably has some bits of dried kethna or some >cheese somewhere about his person......... > >Sorry I meant to say Vlad is a gourmand. > David <That he is. :-)> Nice to meet you here David, sorry about the awkward reply format I accidentally deleted your message and had to copy it off the web site. ===== Ven __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com