On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, M J wrote: > >!! What're you TALKING about? You _know_ that Vlad, like everyone >else in the universe, wants to glomp Daymar! > Speaking of Daymar, I have just remembered an amusing Theory I had about Kragar that involved Daymar. The original article is here: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=GJ9pFt.AB3@kithrup.com But I shall snip the relevant portions of the thread and paste them below: David Silberstein wrote: > >My new Kragar theory (which doesn't contradict the Lavode theory >(or at least, I think Sethra wouldn't care, since she may be a >Dragon-Dzur, or something not entirely Dragon anyway, herself), >but does mostly eliminate the "Agent of House Dragon" possibility): >Kragar is a half-breed. >I was recently re-reading JHEREG, and the line where Kragar says >something to the effect of "Do you know what it feels like to be >a half-breed?", and the paragraph following, suggested to me that >maybe he had a little more empathy with Mellar, at least on that >point, than the average Dragaeran would have. >Of course, the question arises, "Dragon and what else"? >I semi-facetiously suggested Dragon-Teckla a while back, and indeed, >his unusual (for a Dragon) passivity might be considered evidence >in that direction. When he is partnered with Vlad in TALTOS, he >refuses to be the one giving the orders (even with an Easterner!), >and he lets Vlad's business slide in YENDI rather than take charge >properly. >However, the above traits could also be interpreted as having very >low self-esteem due to being kicked out of House Dragon on the one >hand, and not really wanting to be a Jhereg on the other. >Another possibilty that occurred to me was a Dragon-Yendi mix - he's >good at analyzing motives and doing research, and for that matter >a Yendi might have *looked* enough like a Dragon to fool the Dragon >parent (just like Yendi Sorceress in Green looks like an Athyra). >And finally, I wondered if he might be a Dragon-Hawk. His "fadeout" >effect seems to be psionic, and while I don't know that *all* Hawks >are good at psionics, he almost certainly *went* to one (Daymar) >to have his abilities researched, and perhaps to find out more >about that side of himself. >Continuing that line of thought, I also wondered if perhaps Daymar >might be his father. Daymar is far too single-minded to ever fall >in love, I think, but he might go along with some Passionate Young >Dragon's advances. I can just see them, right after she discovers >she's In Trouble: >Passionate Young Dragon: Daymar, I'm PREGNANT!!! >Daymar: Yes, I know. I followed the conception psionically. It > was quite fascinating. >PYD: Barlen's scales, why didn't you SAY something?! I > thought *YOU* were taking precautions! >Daymar: (puzzled) You didn't ask. And you didn't say anything > about precautions, either. What sort of precautions? > Do you mean contraception? >(I think Daymar, and perhaps other Hawks, may be slightly autistic) >(Or alternatively, Kragar was conceived during the Interregnum, >when the spell might not have been an option - but might have >been possible psionically, which is another reason the PYD might >*thought* Daymar would handle preventative measures.) >Those are the best guesses I could think of, although I could, of >course, be wrong about the whole notion. > Konrad Gaertner wrote: > >Next question is who PYD might be. We really don't see many Dragons, >even fewer that might do something like this. How about Jenicor >(sp?) from PG? Heck, we even see her have an affair with someone >outside her house. > I wrote: > >And that was with Pel, a Yendi, yesno? >It might even have been one of those post-battle romances, where >the wounded Dragon is nursed back to health by the non-Dragon. > Chris Farmer wrote (concerning the Dragon-Yendi part of the theory): > >right character trait - but i'd go with a different house. >Dragon-Lyorn. That would explain why he is so good at getting >all the necessary info for Vlad. > I wrote: > >Hmm. Possibly, but remember that Yendi are good at psychological >manipulation and blackmail. Kragar might just know where all the >Lyorn bodies are buried, and who has the dirt on whom - and how >to be subtle about insinuating who *else* might get that info. >And so on. > And now that I think on it (continuing speculation on the same hypothesis, which is of course still unproven), Kragar might also be a Dragon-Jhereg mix. Again, a Jhereg might appear to be sufficiently similar to a Dragon to "pass", and it might also explain why Aliera doesn't like him - he represents what happened when a Dragon was insufficiently careful while boinking a Jhereg, which makes her uncomfortable when she thinks about her affair with Mario.