On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Steven Brust wrote: > At 06:19 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, Philip Hart wrote: > > > >On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Steven Brust wrote: > > > > > At 05:58 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, Philip Hart wrote: > > > >I don't in fact use exclamation points. > > > > > > I do, occasionally. I'd miss them if they were gone. > > > >Outside of dialogue? Here's another example of why I'd like to have > >your works accessible by search engine. > > I can't think of when I've used them outside of > dialogue. But...uh...dialogue doesn't count for some reason? > On the one hand, if they're not good enough for you outside dialogue... On the other, dialogue is a specialized part of writing, it seems to me - something rare outside of fiction and I mostly write poetry and no dialogue so this is an academic discussion for me. But anyway, here's early SKZB: The jhereg had taken the power, and was handling it all, by the green scales of Barlen! I remember I found that sentence to be weakened by the exclam. Now I don't feel that quite as strongly. Here's some recent: "There!" said Sethra, suddenly. "Vlad!" said Sethra sharply... "_Left_!" said Loiosh... In the first sentence I'll grant you the exclam. if you drop the ",suddenly". In the second I think you could do with just the "sharply". In the last I think having Loiosh "say" something is weird but the exclam. is needed. > >I'll call it the AOL-effect if you don't mind me overgeneralizing. A > >simple example is the conversion of many Shakespeare quotes into cliches. > > Perhaps a poor example. No matter how hackneyed the cliche has become, a > really good writer can still invest new life in it. Witness: _Too Too > Solid Flesh_ I believe the title is, by Nick O'Donahue. SF murder > mystery. Highly recommended, if you can find it. To me this example works in my favor - I would be less likely to buy _Too Too Solid Flesh_ than say _Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said_ or _Darker Than You Think_ - I would be wary of someone trying to cast schlock as literature by quoting the Bard of Avon. - Philip