Empire of the East

David Silberstein davids at kithrup.com
Fri Feb 21 00:21:24 PST 2003

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Damien Sullivan wrote:

>On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Andrew Lias wrote:

>> Saberhagen had a series of stories written in this world.  It has,
>> IMO, absolutely no similarity to the East of Brusts work. 

>I think similarities can be seen.  The Swords and Great Weapons are
>the most obvious one.

I'd think that the idea of intelligent, soul-eating weapons owes more
to Michael Moorcock anyway.

> I don't think the similarities add up to anything other than loose
>memetic convergence, mind you, but they're not non-existent.  Nothing
>for Mark to get excited or worried over, I'd say. 
>Especially given the guy can't spell "Brust", "you", or "Please".

Or "Dragaera", "genesis", "believe" or "vanishes".

The OP also gets wrong who Steve thanks for the "Idea / genisis" 
(sic); it is Robert Sloane / Adrian Morgan / Adrienne Thornley [1]
(see forwarded e-mail from same, which has a more explicit history of 
the RPG that became Piarra, and later, Dragaera) - none of which is a
pseudonym for Fred Saberhagen.

"Burst", indeed.  Bah.

"Empire of the East" is a good book, by the way, and I recommend it. 
However, as already mentioned, the world is quite explicitly our own
in a strange and distant future.  Besides the demons being sentient,
transmogrified thermonuclear blasts, there are various things that are
obviously technological, such as a military tank with various hi-tech
toys.  The gods are mostly explicitly from classical mythology (Hindu
pantheon in "Empire", Roman pantheon in "Swords") (well, except when
they're hyperevolved dogs), as opposed to the all-new (or from a
mythology I've never heard of) gods of Dragaera.

The first few Books of Swords are fun fluff, but the later Books of
Lost Swords are sad examples of the Brain-Eater destroying yet another
author's brain. 

[1] Hmm.  I wonder...  Adrienne ==> e'Drien?