Philip Hart writes: I would say it's ironic that prescriptivists say that the way a large majority of people use the word "irony" is wrong, but I'm not a descriptivist. This is still making me giggle. It's not clear to me what Rone was being - I didn't think he was ignorant of the quote, though, hence the irony of Mark's earnest instruction. While not ignorant of the quote, i wasn't thinking of it when i made my witty rejoinder. If Rone was playing ignorant to make a point, his statement comes under the definition of Socratic irony. (Incidentally I think it's ironic or "ironic" that Socrates attacked the sophists but relied on sophistic, straw-man arguments to make his case. Anyway that's how it seemed to me back when I tried to read the "Dialogues".) The only irony is that i wasn't being ironic, i think. Which reminds me of a very short piece i wrote many years ago, entitled "Infinite Loop": "Were you being sarcastic just now?" "No." rone -- "Alan Alda's all we are." - Kurt Cobain