Previously sent this as a reply rather than to the list (but I won't open that can of worms again) While we're on the subject of abuses of the English Language did any of you see this news tidbit? http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_756462.html The 13-year-old girl submitted the essay to a teacher in a state secondary school in the west of Scotland. The teenager's essay began: "My smmr hols wr CWOT. B4, we usd 2go2 NY 2C my bro, his GF & thr 3 :- kds FTF. ILNY, it's a gr8 plc." Baralier -- It's easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission. - W. Slovotsky http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate