By the way, I was always curious about the House of the Phoenix. It says that a Phoenix is only recognized as a True Phoenix if a phoenix is seen to fly overhead at the time of the child's birth. 1) What time frame are we looking at? From beginning of labour to end? >From the complete extraction of the child from the mother? Anywhere within a week of birth? 2) What happens to those who do not have a phoenix do a fly-by? Do they join the Jhereg, or do they become Houseless, or what? Jon _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail