Matthew Hunter wrote: >On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 04:59:33AM +0000, Steve Hubbell <usagigoya at hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>>From: David Silberstein <davids at kithrup.com> >>>To: Dragaera Mailing List <dragaera at dragaera.info> >>>Subject: Re: Possible spoilers for _Sethra Lavode_ (was Re: Dumas) >>>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Steve Simmons wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>And real spoilers for ISSOLA. >>>> >>>>On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 04:11:33PM -0400, Alexx S Kay wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Spoiler space, so I can stop talking around possible future spoiles. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Morrolan has a big Morganti weapon he refers to as his "black wand" >>>>>(note the lack of capitalization), and which none of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>better-informed >>> >>> >>>>>people in his retinue have yet referred to as a Great Weapon. >>>>> >>>>>Remember, in _Issola_, how a powerful Morganti blade only became a GW >>>>>when combined with a human soul? I believe that we'll be seeing a >>>>>similar scene at some point in _Sethra Lavode_. >>>>> see below >>>>> >>>>> >>>>If I'm reading Alexx correctly, he's saying that the 'black wand' >>>>will become a Great Weapon and will bond with Morrolan only when >>>>consuming a human soul, possibly combined with some other qualifying >>>>event. If so, I must disagree. >>>> >>>> >>>>As a part of that process, a soul was consumed by the Morganti >>>>weapon which shortly after became Godslayer. That process also >>>>seemed to result in the bonding of Godslayer to Vlad. >>>> >>>> >>>I am not sure "consuming" is the correct word. Vlad had to go to >>>great and extraordinary lengths in order to ensure that Lady Teldra's >>>soul was *not* consumed. So I think it is important to note that it >>>is not just that Spellbreaker+Morganti blade+Teldra's soul that made >>>Godslayer - it was also Vlad's exertion of... something, maybe >>>witchcraft, maybe a little of everything, that caused the combination >>>to meld properly. Teldra's soul was *bound* to the Morganti >>>weapon+Spellbreaker - she was not *consumed* by it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>However, we have seen another case where a GW meets a bonded owner >>>>without a soul being sacrificed. When Aliera obtains Pathfinder, >>>>no such sacrifice, assembly, or reassembly occurs. Aliera picks up >>>>Pathfinder and the bonding seems to be there immediately. >>>> Remember the comment by Aliera in _Dragon_ that Pathfinder "may have been trying to come to her" the whole time? (Poor quote, I know, but you get the idea.) I get the sense that the GW "wakes up" or acquires a personality when it is possessed by the one it was intended for. Not that the Serioli could have or would have made a GW for a specific Dragaeren (especially when one considers the whole "soul reincarnation" issue ((odd)) refered to by Aliera in _Yendi_, and the fact that "remover of aspects of deity" came to an easterner..ie Vlad...coupled with the whole "serioli hate the gods" thing.) Perhaps its more of a personality or character type that the possessor possesses...heh...which the weapon responds to. Also, one must consider that Morrolon refers to Barritt and his mysterious abilities as he puzzles with Vlad over what was stolen in _Dragon_. Did Pathfinder 'respond' to Barritt on an intellectual level, prior to his assassination? My gut instinct is that Pathfinder did in fact 'wake up' when possessed by Aliera, due solely to the fact that Barritt was assassinated. Pathfinder surely would not have allowed that. I believe that Khaavren would respond to the preceeding paragraph in the manner, "The Gods, sir, I do not understand the statement you have done me the honor to make." >>>> >>>> >>>I believe there was a significant event that took place some time >>>before Aliera picked up Pathfinder, which was that the "cloaked" >>>Morganti blade killed Napper. >>> And hey, can we bring back Napper at some point??? You know Aliera could just make Pathfinder puke him up. I really like Napper. >>> >>>I have speculated elsewhere that the only Morganti blade that was in >>>there was Pathfinder itself; that the feeling that it was a "weak" >>>Morganti blade was caused by Pathfinder being covered with more >>>mundane metal. So in other words, the Morganti blade that took in >>>Napper's soul (I hesitate to say "consumed"; see above) was in fact >>>Pathfinder itself. >>> Lets hope so...I'm still pulling for a puking of Napper. >>> >>>On the other hand, the feeling that Vlad gets from Pathfinder does not >>>appear to be consistent with what we saw of Napper's personality. So >>>I may well be utterly worng on that count. >>> >>>At least part of the reason that speculation has tended toward >>>Tazendra's soul being bonded with Blackwand, though, is that the >>>fierce, female personality that Vlad senses from that weapon could >>>well be Tazendra, given that she is indeed so much a Dzur. >>> Don't matter. >>> >>> >>> >>>>To me, this argues both that the capture of a soul is *not* part of >>>>the bonding process, but *may* be part of the assembly or re-assembly >>>>process. >>>> >>>> >>>You may be correct. >>> I cut the rest of that off, because all I can think of now is Napper. I'm laughing, even if you're not.