without getting too much into Tolkien, I can tell you for certain that elves and humans in Ea are pretty much the same height. I once was in an argument wherein I argued that elves were taller than humans. It was proven through textev that I was wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't forget these things. :/ I think it's in silmarillion somewhere, but I couldn't tell you for sure Jon _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963