>without getting too much into Tolkien, I can tell you for certain that elves >and humans in Ea are pretty much the same height. I once was in an argument >wherein I argued that elves were taller than humans. It was proven through >textev that I was wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't forget these things. :/ Ergh. Well, you've got the exceptions. Thingol, f'rinstance, was somewhere in the area of eight feet and change, but perhaps that was only because he was SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEcial. For the most part, the difference between Elves and Men wasn't really heightwise. Unless one counts Eldarin wings. </TROLL> I believe it is in _Unfinished Tales_ where it is pointed out that Galadriel and Celeborn, both considered heighty types among both Elves and Men, were six foot four. ¬ MJ