Just wanted to point out that the title track off The Trey Gunn Band's "The Joy of Molybdenum" is in 17 (4 4 4 5). It's a great album, so pick it up and thank me later. Or kill me. rone -- "I don't even know you. What if you're a psycho?" "Would a psycho waste the last of his triple-sec?" -- RICHH