uh, am I the only one on the list who distinctly remembers Sethra once saying to Vlad something along the lines of "don't be silly, I'm Dzur" I could be raving, though---I *am* frightfully sick right now. I think its in Jhereg (the one with Cawti and Norathar being introduced, whichever it is) where there are hints about her importance to House Dragon with various comments like :It was my duty to the House: and :This is a matter that concerns Dragons: etc... But I think shes House Dzur But then, you are all right--she DOES predate the houses. And she is kind of the essence of Dragaera---I wonder if shes like a Gaia figure, only beginning to wake up--everyone else would of course be intruders, brought by the Jenoine. Jon _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail