On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Toubib wrote: #>From the front of Jhereg Dzur is pronounced tser. But that list -- at least the first time it came out -- had some problems, such as describing the sound of "jh" as... "jh", which has no standard, normal, usual, conventional, or accepted sound for English-speakers. Steve's since made it clear that it's supposed to be "zh" -- that is, the sound of the "s" in "pleasure" -- and IIRC has fixed it in subsequent editions. But "dz" as "dz" is perfectly reasonable to me. -- Dr. Whom, Consulting Linguist, Grammarian, Orthoepist, and Philological Busybody a.k.a. Mark A. Mandel