There had to be more to it than that. Morrollan and Aliera have VERY different views on what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior for a Dragon. Oddly, Morrollan is the "conservative" voice where Aliera is more than happy to run off and slaughter at will... Pathfinder in hand. It's almost the exact same relationship you see with Morrollan and Sethra with Morrollan in the impetuous role. Perhaps it is his nature of being "not there" that is the issue. Attacking >from behind appears to be a common theme as "bad," as even Aliera and Morrollan agree on that. Perhaps Kragar did just that. He has a history of attacking from the rear, although perhaps not intentionally..his opponent simply didn't see him at all. Norrathar's vindication from being an assassin shows that there had to be something grave and deep to cause his expulsion. .... or maybe it was just bad genes? /shrug. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: David Silberstein [mailto:davids at kithrup.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:54 PM To: Dragaera List Subject: Re: Kragar (was: A thought concerning Skinter's future...) On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Iain E. Davis wrote: >At 03:27 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: >>On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:48:56PM -0800, David Silberstein >><davids at kithrup.com> wrote: >> > Still "trouble", in the military, usually means death, or possibly >> > forced retirement from the army itself. Assuming he didn't do >> > something that the military would deem deserving of execution, >> > incompetence alone would probably just get him cashiered. >> > >> > No matter what his fuckup was, expulsion from House Dragon >> > itself is very, very unusual. >> >>Cowardice would do it. > >That's what I was thinking. Or at least perceived cowardice. >Definitions of cowardice may vary. But cowardice in the face of the enemy is a capital offence, according to Sethra. He wouldn't have been expelled, but rather executed. And for that matter, Kragar has never seemed exactly cowardly to me. Unambitious, yes, but not cowardly. >To be honest I can't picture Kana as Kragar, or vice-versa. But >that's purely by gut-feeling, I can't support with any evidence. :) > Well, since I have no evidence for my theory, not even gut-feeling, you could very well be entirely correct. They seem to have very different personalities - as I mentioned, Kragar appears to be unusually unambitious - but again, that could be due to narrative unreliability, and also the changed circumstances. >I actually wonder if Kragar did something along the lines of "disobeyed >orders to save his unit's lives", ending up in the position of being >officially expelled, but unofficially thanked, as it were. :) > That is in the class of scenarios that I could see resulting in his being cashiered from that particular army, but not expelled from the House.