Dragaera

Vlad, training and the paths of the dead (Issola spoiler)

Kenneth Gorelick pulmon at comcast.net
Wed Nov 12 20:04:14 PST 2003

As to the impact of 1% on a genome: that is the genetic difference 
between human and chimpanzee....
On Nov 12, 2003, at 3:54 PM, David Silberstein wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Mark Englehart wrote:
>
>> At 11:14 PM 11/9/2003 -0800, David Silberstein wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Mark Englehart wrote
>>>> and b). learn to see things from the other person's point of
>>>> view; something next to impossible for a Dragaeran who isn't a 
>>>> Tiassa.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Um.  I think you are wildly wrong on this last point.
>
> [snip some examples]
>
>>
>> Okay, I misspoke.  What I meant to write was the other *House's*
>> point of view.  As Vlad has pointed out, a Dragon always thinks
>> like a Dragon, a Dzur like a Dzur.  They are not inhuman, they
>> can develop empathy, but their frame of reference is always
>> limited by those animal genes.
>
> I have my doubts as to whether the "animal genes" have *that* great an
> influence on what are 99% human, and I would suggest that rather than
> "always limited", I would put it as "usually limited", or even "often
> limited".
>
> As examples of seeing from other Houses' points-of-view, I would point
> to Khaavren's friends, who have come to learn how each of the others
> thinks, to a certain degree.
>
> There's also the introduction to /Issola/, where Vlad mentions some of
> the rules for politeness among the various Houses, but adds that some,
> knowing the rules for the other Houses, will sometimes use those other
> rules when meeting someone of that House.
>
> And speaking of Issola, I would suggest that one of the natures of
> that House is to *want* to see things as others do, if only so as to
> know how to act appropriately towards those others.
>
> An amusing thought:  It is possible to "borrow" someone's eyes using
> magic, as we see Morrolan do in /Issola/.  So he was quite literaly
> seeing things from Vlad's point-of-view.  Heh.
>
>>
>> I think that this is an allegory that Steven has played with all
>> along that Theodore Sturgeon would have been most impressed with:
>> only if you can transcend thinking with the animal brain can you
>> become a human being.
>>
>
> An excellent point, and which prompts me to add that many (most?)
> people right here in the real world often have trouble seeing things
> as others do.
>