Dragaera

re Tiassa

David Silberstein davids at kithrup.com
Thu Dec 4 20:38:53 PST 2003

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Philip Hart wrote:

>On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, David Silberstein wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Philip Hart wrote:
>

>> >> I have sometimes toyed with the notion that, if one were to be granted
>> >> 3 wishes, that the first wish would be to instantly know the
>> >> consequences of all of ones actions (and as long as we're wishing,
>> >> ones inactions).
>> >
>> >I believe this runs into paradox - see philosphers on the concept of
>> >a Book of Knowledge.
>>
>> Ah, Goedel.  Ruining everything with that darned incompleteness.
>
>I don't think this concerned axiomatic arithmetic - I can look on the
>web if you care. 
>

As I understand it, Goedel's Proof of Incompleteness has deeper
ramifications than just mathematical systems.  As I recall, other
famously proofs of unknowability, eg., Turing's Halting Problem
are just mappings of Goedel's Proof onto other systems.

>>
>> Not destroying the universe might also be considered a pitfall.
>

[snippage]

>
>If someone destroys the universe, we will start again from scratch.
>If you point me towards the fuse I think that I can find a match.
>

Of course, then the question arises, how should a *proper* universe be
designed?

I recently stumbled across an anecdote, which you perhaps know of:

  According to a story well known in the physics community, after his
  death in 1958 Pauli was granted an audience with God.  Pauli asked
  God why the fine structure constant has the value 1/(137.036...).
  God nodded, went to a blackboard, and began scribbling equations at
  a furious pace. Pauli watched Him with great satisfaction, but soon
  began shaking his head violently...

   http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Pauli