(I accidentally sent this only to Trager instead of to the list.) On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Trager wrote: #Older than the empire doesn't necessarily imply older than the houses #(or at least the tribes from which the houses were created)... Remember her seal: The Dragon and Dzur symbols coming in, and nothing going out. Remember what she said about "going back to being part of the rock of Dzur Mountain." I don't think she's got any kind of normal Dragaeran genealogy. Just my personal opinion. -- Mark A. Mandel http://cracksandshards.com a Steven Brust Dragaera fan website