On Jan 19, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Philip Hart wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, David Silberstein wrote: > >> On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Noam Izenberg wrote: >> >>> I would note that, looked at this way, Kelly's movement, even if a >>> raving success, is actually not a threat to the Empire or the Cycle - >>> and doesn't ever have to be - IF the Empire is willing to adapt its >>> power structure. >> >> In a similarly non-confrontational vein, a possibility that I've >> thought of is that Kelly's group moves out of Adrilanka. I've read a >> few things about communes created in the United States that were out >> in the hinterlands, that did OK for a while. Most eventually >> disappeared. But some may still exist. >> I don't think Kelly ever said that he wished to abolish private property and create communes. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong. However, I should note that although it's fine to mention the communes you mention above, there have been wildly successful communes lasting centuries with hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people. These communes, are namely, the Native American societies of North America, particularly the ones in existence on what is now the east coast of the United States.