Dragaera

domesticated animals

Kenneth Coleman Stone kstone at email.unc.edu
Tue Feb 3 19:24:45 PST 2004

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Philip Hart wrote:

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> On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Paul Echeverri wrote:
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> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:29:15 -0800 (PST), Philip Hart
> > <philiph at SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > > For those not keeping score, Bellesiles is a discredited historian of
> > > gun issues in early America - sort of the left-wing version of John Lott.
> >
> > That sort of implies you believe Lott's been discredited, which I hardly
> > think is the case, certainly nowhere near the scale of Bellesille's
> > widespread fraud.
>
> It depends on how you feel about Lott apparently making up data, coding
> with what seems like fraudulent intent, and anoymously or under a false
> name praising himself on blogs and amazon.com (v.
> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/lott98update.html).  Eugene
> Volokh recently dropped Lott.  I recently saw that Bellesiles is still
> getting peer-reviewed publication (which seems like a receipe for
> disaster) - I don't know if Lott can say as much.
>
>
> > > This is the first I'd heard of non-ideological disagreements with Diamond
> > > - is there something peer-reviewed I could check out?
> >
> > Not that I can think of offhand, but he lost me in the foreword with his
> > Noble, Smarter than Us White People, Savages bit.
>
> I totally didn't get that - he's an ethnologist and has some interest in
> arguing that stone-age people in New Guinea, the Amazon, etc. are innately
> as smart as us and are sophisticated in their knowledge of their
> environment. After all, the thesis that "the West conquered the world
> because us White folks are just plain superior" is still popular.
>
> Incidentally, I don't want to get into an argument about the Flynn effect,
> but I've read that a result of our recent evolution during civilization is
> a shrinking of the average brain size, perhaps in order to make us less
> agressively "adult" and hence better village- dwellers - i.e., we've
> domesticated ourselves from wolves to golden retrievers.
>
>
> > > ps - "Echeverri" has a cool linguistic story, right? - maybe Basque?
> >
> > Give the man a cigar.
>
> Thanks, but can I have a cheese steak or a shot of bourbon instead?
>
This thread covers fraud, evolution, civilization,
cigars, cheese steaks, and bourbon, which are intimately
related to reading about Dragaera (particulary bourbon).
But I wonder if the stat-guy (sorry, deleted that one)
has been keeping tabs on the percentage of posts that
are on topic?

Maybe I'm just jealous because only Lott's name rings
a bell...

Ken