In a message dated 3/17/2004 1:32:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Matthew Klahn <mklahn at mac.com> writes: > And, not to start a whole different argument, but since > Kieron was a Dragon, wouldn't the cycle have started with > Dragon at the top? Or was he not the first emperor? Is this > mentioned anywhere? Zerika I created the Orb and was the first to hold it, though Kieron came close to seizing it (PotD, ch 18, p. 198hc). --KG