To my (sometimes faulty) recollection, no one has yet brought up this minute allusion in the afterword (whatever it may be, that's what I'm calling it) of Sethra Lavode. As noted in JRR's Letters, in which pub (aliased by the initials B & B) did C. S. L. and T. meet? What do the initials B & B stand for? (which fits the reference in the afterword of Sethra Lavode) Please use spoiler space if replying to the list. James Griffin, Still Another Vlad faN Ps. The answer is NOT Mario! _________________________________________________________________ Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to slim your waist. http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exercise&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles