On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Howard Brazee wrote without marking quoted text: THIS WAS ME (MARK MANDEL), QUOTING HOWARD: #Howard Brazee wrote: # ##We have (at least) three different entities with three different ways of ##observing time and space. ## ##Has anybody discussed how these different types observe and interact in ##time and space? # THIS WAS ME (MARK MANDEL), WRITING FOR MYSELF: #"Three different entities": Hmmm. Three different species? Easterners, #Dragaerans, Serioli? Actually, count the Jenoine in and you can lump #Easterners and Dragaerans together despite the factor-of-50 difference #in their life spans. # THIS WAS HOWARD: #I would. Lifespan doesn't change space-time. The "(at least)" referred #to the Jenoine who at least have predictive abilities. # (MAM replying to Howard): They also have a very different view of space, as we saw in Issola. As far as life span is concerned: "Three different ways of observing time and space", you said; nothing about space-time. A two- or three-thousand-year life expectancy gives a person a different view of a passing year or two. In evidence: She said, "Can you hold this for me? I don't think it will be dangerous to you. It *is* dangerous for me to hold it just now." I studied the vial to see how breakable it was. It wasn't very. I said, "Sure. How long do you think you'll want me to hang onto it?" "Not long. Twenty, thirty years maybe." "Huh? Kiera -- " "Oh. Yes. I guess that is a long time to you. Well, perhaps it won't be that long. And, as I say, it shouldn't be dangerous for you." _Taltos_, Chapter 7, page 70 (Ace paperback 1988) MAM: #And well, if we're talking about lifespan, Sethra is in a class by #herself. (She's in a class by herself no matter what we're talking #about.) # #And then there are the gods. # HB: #They have space-time different from us. # (MAM replying to Howard): We agree. That counts. MAM: #And then there's the Necromancer. # HB: #A variation of godhood. # (MAM replying to Howard): So, where does all this leave us? Gods, Jenoine, humans of both species -- that's three. Then there are the Serioli. That conversation of Morrolan with the Serioli in the cave in the mountain seems to indicate again a different view toward time. -- Mark A. Mandel [This text prepared with Dragon NaturallySpeaking.]