Hello again. I'm really glad I posted the link to Loiosh for everyone. It was painful but the sum of it resulted in a big breath for the work ahead. Thanks for that. About the legs, I seriously hope this doesn't turn anyone away, but I'm going to stick with 4 legs, two wings, for now. The idea of animating a quadruped with wings is far too cool to pass up! We all build a mental movie as we discover these stories, and for many many years this has been Loiosh to me. A character more brilliant than any R2D2. There is a huge amount of work involved to remove the front two legs and make a second version. It is not out of the question but I'm going to finish the immediate plans first. What do you think of this? The spell that Vlad casts to make a familiar of a jhereg, is specific to jheregs. Any restrictions about posting the text of books? This from _Jhereg_ when Vlad casts the spell: "Jhereg! Do not pass me by!" "Show me where thy soul doth lie!" The spell text suggests that there are many versions of the "witchcraft familiar" spell, since Noishpa has a cat. Hope this hasn't been covered before. As I finished the body model of Vlad, he went through a phase of being naked (couldn't work on that at the office!) I had to fight with myself to keep from posting that stage. It's just funny on so many levels, being that everyone agreed that Vlad should look like Brust. Below is the "clothed for modesty" version. No need to tell me this or that pixel is off, his arms are too long, or that his "clothes" aren't right. I know this, it's *very* early still. Bear in mind that I'm simply ecstatic to have made a model that could pass for (a real) human. I knew I could, I just didn't think it would go so fast. My plans include a vest/jerkin, similar in shape to the tank-top he has on, but obviously with sweet textures. A short sleeved shirt underneath. I'm getting hot about giving him a doo-rag with a nice little knot in back, something to insinuate a gypsy/pirate, but only only a hint. This is for the jungle specifically, so it seems like something he might have put on for the big step in witchcraft. As suggested, perhaps a gift from grandpa. How far down does a half-cloak go? Anyone remember jewelry? A rapier (but non clothing props come later). Hey Linda G. My version of _Taltos_ printed in 1988, doesn't seem to coincide with your pages. I'll take your word on that stuff. http://www.stuffycorporatedesign.com/misc/vladviewer.htm If you are ever looking for one of these links, just go to the 404 page (insert anything after the .com/) and hit the "Shockwave work in progress" link. -paul-