I seem to remember a time reference, also. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Friedman [mailto:jerry_friedman at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:03 PM To: dragaera at dragaera.info Subject: RE: Idle Speculation (SPOILERS) --- Chris Olson - SunPS <Chrisf.Olson at Sun.COM> wrote: > Jerry Friedman wrote: > > I almost agree with you and Mark. My impression was, "Marx and > > Engels have proved that feudalism leads through a dialectic > > process to capitalism, eventually industrial capitalism, which in > > turn leads to a socialist revolution and the dictatorship of the > > proletariat. Dragaera is still too feudal and not capitalistic or > > industrial enough to be ready for socialism." Here I'm attempting > > a Marxist point of view, which I assume is Steven's but isn't mine. > > I always thought what Verra was trying to say was: > In a world dominated and controlled by the Great Cycle, > this great big stone tablet that even we Gods don't > fully understand, the ideas of Marx and Engels simply won't work. > How can you have a socialist revolution when, once the next > Cycle comes around, it moves right back to feudalism? > Not only that, but the mass of "Noble Houses" have > sorcery and Elder Sorcery, and this throws the > calculations off even further. A bummer for Kelly's Gang, > but them's the facts. Anyone have the text, since _Phoenix_ isn't on book search? I thought Verra made a time reference--Dragaera isn't ready *yet*. > The only way to really bring about the future Kelly desires > is to destroy the Great Cycle.