On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 11:00, Jerry Friedman wrote: > --- Scott Schultz <scott at cjhunter.com> wrote: > > > > > > Mark Englehart writes: > > > >I have to disagree. In Teckla, Verra tells Vlad that the books the > > > >revolutionaries were working from came from Earth and were > > > not appropriate > > > >for Dragaera, at least not yet. That means that communism > > > and socialism at > > > >least have not been seen in a Teckla Republic. > > > > > > > To which Joshua Kronengold replies > > > Er...no, it means it isn't time for a Teckla Republic yet. > > > Not the right part of the cycle. What else would it mean? > > > > > > > I agree with Mark on this one. My impression from Verra was not "this is > > the > > wrong era for this" , it was "this literature is inappropriate to this > > world > > and culture because things don't work that way here". > > I almost agree with you and Mark. My impression was, "Marx and > Engels have proved that feudalism leads through a dialectic > process to capitalism, eventually industrial capitalism, which in > turn leads to a socialist revolution and the dictatorship of the > proletariat. Dragaera is still too feudal and not capitalistic or > industrial enough to be ready for socialism." Here I'm attempting > a Marxist point of view, which I assume is Steven's but isn't mine. > For what it's worth, you've captured about 90% of what I was shooting for. (The other 10% involves things like magic and the effects of genetic manipulation; but you have the guts of it.) -- Steven Brust skzb at dreamcafe.com "Preacher, don't the bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?" "Quite specific. It's rather fuzzier, however, on the subject of kneecaps." -- Firefly