--- Joshua Kronengold <mneme at io.com> wrote: > Jerry Friedman writes: > >Anyone have the text, since _Phoenix_ isn't on book search? I thought > >Verra made a time reference--Dragaera isn't ready *yet*. > > This is my memory as well. > > >> The only way to really bring about the future Kelly desires > >> is to destroy the Great Cycle. > > No. > Note, to support my point, that the Orca are, basically, the merchant > middle class...the obvious predicessor to a Teckla communist > revolution. I hadn't considered that, and I think it support my suggestion that Kelly's movement could succeed as the Cycle turns from the Orca to the Teckla, at the expense of my other suggestions. I don't think it's settled, though. > When did Verra indicate that a communist revolution would last > indefinately? She indicated (thanks to lazarus for the quotation) that there was a lot of truth in what Kelly was reading. If that was Marx et al., I imagine they say that from a Communist revolution, there's no turning back. > Ours didn't... 'Cept maybe Cuba (though I'm not expecting it). I think Communists have various ways of understanding the events of the '80s and '90s. I would *guess* that a Hungarian-American Trotskyite sympathizer would say that the USSR and its satellites weren't really Communist any time after 1927, when Trotsky was expelled from the Soviet Communist Party, and that this became dead obvious in 1956. However, my mind probes are unreliable, so Steven might think something quite different. Jerry Friedman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail