In a message dated 12/7/2004 6:53:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mklahn at mac.com writes: Anyhow, I'm sure that other people can come up with the clever mottos and overall just improve on this idea, but it seems like a natural kind of t-shirt idea to me. The #1 challenge, I think, is getting the art for the front. The rest is pretty easy, I think. Matthew I beleive there are a few graphic artists that belong to the list. the *hard* part is getting Steve's approval. John D Barbato OD