>Um, yeah. Now, if someone brandished a ball point at me, and looked like >he'd be willing and capable of stabbing me with it, I might be rather more >deterred. Ok, now you want to know my other funny? I also happen to carry a Rotring Tri-Pen on me at all times also. It's two colors of ink, plus a pencil - all wrapped up in solid brass housing that weighs 48 grams. I honestly don't think I could ask for a better kubotan. I could ram it through your temple and sign my name on your forehead with it. Wonderful German engineering... And I can get it inside a courthouse. I bought the darn thing from *Levengers*... David