just a thought, forgive me if it is lame. i have no books in front of me and i dont know my Brustiverse stuff inside out (yet!) but what if the cycle doesnt run like a clock? what if it runs more like this for example ( with 1 and 17 being pheonix right?) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 17 16 15 14 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 yar. i couldnt think of how to explain it. the excuse i am going to use it that i am on medication and ive been sick... anyhow. yeah. just a thought. -carol the lurker (at the threshold) Maximilian Wilson <wilson.max at gmail.com> wrote: On 4/23/05, Steve Brust wrote: > This is most emphatically not a crack. Oh ho ho! That means you're being clever again... which means it's okay to read into things. Hmmm. Max Wilson -- I die! I mis-remember my friend's telephone number and dial into a hydroelectric dam's power line, electrocuting myself. My roommates mistake my flailing spasms for sign language, coincidentally describing a delicious recipe for fried tungsten with petroleum jelly. They try the recipe. All die! O, the embarassment. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!