In a message dated 11/17/2005 2:38:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mtiller at ntlworld.com writes: In point of fact I believe that in Jhereg its stated that Dolivar, Kieron >and Sethra started out as members of the same family. >Thru Sethra's inaction Kieron was killed. IIRC, it was Dolivar, Keiron and Aliera who were family and Sethra was there. Cheers Absolutely Correct. Thanks for the info. In This World There Are No Friends, Nor Are There Enemies. In This World Th ere Are Only Potential Opponents With Varying Degrees Of Skill.