60 seconds/minute * 60 minutes/hour * 24 hours/day == 86400 seconds 51 seconds/minute * 51 minutes/hour * 34 hours/day == 88434 seconds I know the day is only 30 hours, but i'm just playing with 17. Has there been mention of any Teckla who is a member of House Jhereg? rone -- No IT story is complete without an unhappy ending. - Roy S. Rapoport <rsr at inorganic.org>