On 12/16/05, Bryan Newell <bryann at bryann.net> wrote: > See Also: speciation, Theseus' Ship, seat of consciousness > http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/theseus.html Plato is probably the source of this "paradoxical" interpretation of Herclitus. According to Plato, Heraclitus maintains that nothing retains its identity for any time at all: "Heraclitus, you know, says that everything moves on and that nothing is at rest; and, comparing existing things to the flow of a river, he says that you could not step into the same river twice" (*Cratylus *402A). A very Brustian topic, with shades of Paarfi's mythographer-friend. "The first time I met Paarfi of Roundwood..." Max Wilson -- Be pretty if you are, Be witty if you can, But be cheerful if it kills you.