Multiple emporers in a reign, revisited

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Mon Mar 13 14:39:44 PST 2006

"Scott Schultz" <scott at cjhunter.com> 
Sent by: dragaera-bounces at dragaera.info
03/13/06 02:33 PM

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RE: Multiple emporers in a reign, revisited

> Am I missing any other possibilities?

Part of the answer may be to rely on other sources. Aliera's version of
events, related in _Jhereg_, has it this way:

[Snip - Jhereg Adron's Disaster Story]

>Now, Aliera may not be the most dependable narrator either, but she's at
>least an eye-witness. Wherever Paarfi got his information, it's all
>second-hand. The interesting thing, from the perspective of this 
>is that Aliera claims that another Phoenix, who would almost neccesarily 
>Loudin, "tried to grab the Throne", and thusly forced Adron to make his 
>before he was fully ready.

I seem to recall a post or interview where skzb claimed that Aliera was 
simply mistaken on this count, and was actually thinking of the Affair of 
the White Goblets? Can anyone else recall this posting?

>To me, this has the ring of truth to it. On the one hand, it appears to 
>some independent evidence that a House doesn't neccesarily give up the 
>just because the current Emperor has died. It also jibes with the 
>idea that someone has to decide that the Cycle has turned or not and
>actively make a claim upon the Orb. Paarfi's notion of the Orb seeking 
>the next Heir is not only in direct contradiction with events (i.e., the
>non-turning of the Cycle at the time of Tortaalik's death) but also with 
>general description of the transfer of the Orb from one House to another.

Of course, the fact that someone in Tortaalik's own House tried to kill 
him (presumably to take the Orb for him/herself) during the whole White 
Goblet thing lends credence to the theory that a reign doesn't always end 
with the life of the current Emperor.

>If Aliera is telling the truth, then there would have been another 
>Emperor sitting on the Throne barring any interference from Adron. As it
>was, Adron's spell was probably intended to do exactly what Paarfi 
>it doing, but unlike in Paarfi's version, the real Adron hadn't mastered 
>spell properly and the result was the Lesser Sea.

<sigh> I suppose it was inevitable that this discussion would end up 
coming back to the whole unreliable narrator thing (again).

Can we just mark this as "Unresolvable Due to Unreliable Narrators" and 
move on? (Is UDTUN or UDUN a better term for this?)