The real question is does Steve know, or is he faking it as he goes? On 4/13/06, Davdi Silverrock <davdisil at gmail.com> wrote: > > On 4/12/06, Tom Lumbis <tlumbis at sover.net> wrote: > > > I re-read that passage, and I noted that Teldra was *trying* to convey > > > a difficult-to-understand concept. She sort of trails off, though, > > > and it is Sethra, specifically, who says that to the Jenoine, there > > > was "only one room". And Vlad replies "Rubbish" to Sethra's > > > statements, rather than to Teldra's (which fits more with how I > > > perceive his relationship with both Teldra and Sethra). > > > > > > But still I don't think that Teldra or Sethra were correctly > > > describing how the Jenoine think. > > > > > > The essence of my problem with that "only one room" idea is what Vlad > > > points out: No matter what else extra the Jenoine are or can do, they > > > are also three-dimensional entities who can move about in three > > > dimensions. They may be able to perceive and move in additional > > > dimensions/planes of existence/other realities as well, but they > > > should have a perfectly fine grasp of what a "place" is, and what an > > > additional place is. > > > > Of the three persons you mentioned Vlad is the least knowledgable about > the > > Jenoine. > > Perhaps. > > Then again, I note that Teldra mentioned that when she and Vlad left > the room, it was sort of as if they went spirit walking (from the > Jenoine prespective)(although she qualifies that statement). > > Vlad has actually done a bit of spirit walking (or rather, involuntary > dreamwalking, which I believe is the same thing, in /Dragon/), so he > does at least have a sense of how weird that is. > > > I believe Teldra makes a comment about the word "place" and how the > Jenoine > > only use the word in relation to mathematics - which would indicate that > > they do not entirely grasp the term as we do(and vice versa). > > And I still don't quite buy this. > > I was wondering what the course material is that the Jenoine language > is taught from. If the corpus of Jenoine works is mostly some > genetics texts and some really high-flown and esoteric philosophy > texts, then of course students of the Jenoine language are going to > get a very skewed idea of how Jenoine think. > > If the only text that some aliens had of ours was that all-time best > seller, the King James translation of the bible, and maybe also some > textbooks on general relativity and quantum mechanics, they might get > a very very strange idea indeed of how 20th-century Americans actually > think. > > > Because the Jenoine can exist in our heroes' world does not mean they > grasp > > the world as our heroes do. > > > > It's fairly pointless speculation because, like Vlad and company, we do > not > > understand the Jenoine. > > > > They seemed to think that the Necromancer could understand at least > the Jenoine concept of "place". I would like to see exactly how the > Necromancer would explain how the Jenoine "really" think in a way that > satisfies my (and Vlad's) pragmatic objections. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://dragaera.info/pipermail/dragaera/attachments/20060413/ce2c32c2/attachment.htm