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Vlad & Cawti & (Lesser Orca Spoiler/ Dzur speculation)

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Thu Jul 13 10:18:19 PDT 2006

"Scott Schultz" <scott at cjhunter.com> 
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>I wonder if she's still living in the upscale part of town or if she 
moved
>into South Adrilankha? Kind of hard to be a revolutionary if you're one 
of
>the bourgois.

Unless she's working to bring the system down from the inside? ;-)

>Kiera's letter to Cawti in the closing chapter of _Orca_ doesn't seem
>indicative of Cawti living one place and Jr. living in different place.

True, but it doesn't rule out the possibility, either. 

>>Will he be showing any unusual signs due to his parentage/ancestry?
>
>Like a proclivity for flipping knives? ;-)

Actually, I was thinking more about his great-granfather on his Mother's 
Mother's side... (BP spoilers)

>anyone else around to train Jr. Cawti has some skill as a witch, but she
>seems to have primarily practiced it in the role as Vlad's "coven" rather
>than spending much effort doing it on her own. We might find out 
differently
>if any of the stories ever centered around her, of course. 

When she first meets Vlad in /Yendi/, she'd given herbs to Norathar to 
ward off Loiosh's poison, because she was an accomplished witch.

The only indication that she's any less skilled at it than Vlad is, in 
fact, is that she doesn't have her own familiar.

>In any case, Vlad was about age 10, as I recall, when he began training 
as a
>witch. Generalizing from a single example we could assume that's the 
typical
>age for beginning such training. 

Seems reasonable. (Though it seems to me, this was only the beginning of 
Vlad's /formal/ training. Noish-pa was already playing games with Vlad 
that were designed to increase his witch-like (and fencing) abilities at 
an even younger age, IIRC)

>>What will Loiosh think of him?
>
>Good question. Probably just about the same as he thinks of Cawti or any 
of
>Vlad's close friends, with the caveat that the child would be more 
annoying
>due to the various sorts of accidental mistreatment that children perform 
on
>their pets, and Loiosh would probably think it beneath him to act like a
>pet. If Jr. didn't attempt to dismantle him, then I'd expect him to feel 
the
>same sorts of parental protectiveness that Vlad would.

Hmmm... Makes me wonder if Loiosh and Rocza will ever have little jhereg 
of their own? Maybe Loiosh's son will become VNs familiar?

>>Will Vlad relate his recent experiences with Savn to his own son?
>
>Given Savn's condition, I'm having a hard time imagining how it would
>relate, except that Vlad might have learned to have a bit more patience 
than
>otherwise.

Well, call me crazy, but Vlad learning patience and parental understanding 
seems to be a pretty important step.

>>Will the Jhereg be trying to get at VN in order to get at Vlad?
>
>No, I don't think so. Firstly, Jr. is completely innocent. Cawti became a
>target because she was directly involved with Kelly's people and 
continued
>to be a rabble-rouser despite several clear warnings. Secondly, I have to
>think that some clear-thinkers on the Council must realize that the whole
>business of Vlad's betrayal was caused because the rule about attacking
>someone's family was broken, in a sense. The actual "rule" applies to
>targets of assassination, but the end result of _Phoenix_ illustrates why
>the rule exists at all. Endangering Jr. would be like mailing an open
>invitation for Vlad to attempt to slaughter the entire Council.

I'm not so sure the council really has any fear of Vlad striking back at 
them--at least not until they learn about GS--but I suspect that they may 
have other motivations for leaving VN out of it. Cawti, OTOH, would seem 
to be as much of a target as she was during /Phoenix/, unless she's 
stopped associating with Kelly & Co. I suppose having powerful friends 
like Morrolan, Cawti, Kiera and Sethra may have helped her on this 
count--but... As much as Cawti was rousing trouble for the organization, 
you'd think they'd be anxious to put her out of the way--regardless of 
whether or not it would help them get at Vlad.

>To the left, given the apparent semi-autonomous nature of the Left Hand, 
I
>shouldn't be surprised if Vlad comes into direct conflict with them as
>result of something they do that endangers Cawti and/or Jr. 

This seems entirely possible, also. (BTW, love the use of "to the left" in 
this context. ;-) )

Majikjon