[David Dyer-Bennet] #> #I definitely don't figure color comparisons verbally. I only have the #> #"guy" list of color names (I think it's a 16-color palette); and then #> #overlaid on top of it the ability from years of photography and design #> #play the ability to say "too much red in that" or "needs a little more #> #green". #> # #> #I have no idea how I do that; I certainly don't see images of the #> #colors in my head. [MM] #> So there's one example of non-verbal thought, right? [DDB again] #Is that "thought"? I tend to reserve that word for verbal reasoning. I think this is where we came in: whether or not "thinking" can be done without words. If you define it away, then (ISTM) you're opting out of the discussion. When I visualize what would happen to the space in the car trunk if I put THIS suitcase THERE, turned on its side, and then slid THAT box in next to it in SUCH-AND-SUCH orientation and laid THAT bag on top of the box, slipping it in under the overhang JUST SO... I'm *thinking*, by any definition I care to use, but the content of my thinking is largely visual, partly kinesthetic, and only slightly verbal, if at all. Would you call that "non-verbal reasoning"? Why would you not call it "thinking"? -- Mark A. Mandel