At 10:00 PM 8/21/2002 -0400, Mark A Mandel wrote: >On 18 Aug 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >#I don't think we're actually disagreeing (yet; but there's hope). >#Thought is the conscious mental manipulation of symbols to achieve a >#desired result. It doesn't have to be successful, but you do have to >#know what you're doing. > >OK. Now, when I visualize placing THIS object THERE, etc., I am >certainly performing a conscious mental manipulation. Am I using >symbols, in your view? Dunno about David, but I would say yes.