Mark A Mandel <mam at theworld.com> writes on 21 August 2002 at 22:00:02 -0400 > On 18 Aug 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > #I don't think we're actually disagreeing (yet; but there's hope). > #Thought is the conscious mental manipulation of symbols to achieve a > #desired result. It doesn't have to be successful, but you do have to > #know what you're doing. > > OK. Now, when I visualize placing THIS object THERE, etc., I am > certainly performing a conscious mental manipulation. Am I using > symbols, in your view? Since you're not moving the real objects, but rather have something representing them, I think that's symbols within the meaning of the act, yes. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net / New TMDA anti-spam in test John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ New Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info