Gametech wrote: > 2. Who even says we have free will? Boxed choices seems to me not to > be free will. Free will means unrestrained choices (though it can > just mean the ability to exercise choice), the universe restrains us > to its laws. If god created the universe all he is doing is giving us > the ability to choose between his choices. That sounds very much to > me like the lack of free will. I'll even one up myself here, as long as any omnipotent being exists you can never attain the state of truly free will. This by the way applied at a lower level to children and parents is a common problem, if the parent suggests that such and such action will yield a bad result but go ahead and do it if you like causes an issue. The child if accepting this is taking the choice that the parent suggests, and if he doesn't accept this and fails like the parent said he would he is again following the parents resolution for the scenario. Only when the parent says 'what do you think you should do?' and the child comes up with the non failure solution does the child feel like he has defined his own choice, well other than that he can rebel, and no kids do that now do they?