At 8:17 PM -0800 11/30/02, definitely what wrote: >David Dyer-Bennet writes: > People complain about the actions of "the TV industry" and all sorts > of other groups all the time. And it's far *more* fair to blame an > organiztion that claims to promote morality for the moral outcomes of > its actions. > >But is the organization the ideology? The Church may be accountable, >but is the religion? This is just getting weird. You seem to be arguing that the leaders of a church are separate from the doctrine that they preach, and that both are separate from the practice of the congregation. At the same time, you are arguing that this very same religion is responsible for the good actions of the adherents. As we say in my country, "Come again more slowly?" Either the religion informs the behavior of its believers, in which case you take the bad with the good, or it doesn't, in which case it's irrelevant. -- Lydy Nickerson lydy at demesne.com lydy at lydy.com Dulciculi Aliquorum